"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
01/29/2019 at 07:12 • Filed to: Rust
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"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
01/29/2019 at 07:12 • Filed to: Rust | 1
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A bit of an update...
I stopped in to my usual body shop yesterday afternoon (where I had my accident damage repaired a few years back and where I had the light surface rust repainted on the underside of my rockers. The body place said if it’s rusting the way it is, the best thing to do is get it cut out and a new clean piece of metal welded back in for $500-700 (bodywork costs a lot here, at least it does here where I am in Canada...). The guy at the shop described it as moisture getting in between the two panels from behind (in my case, at least) and it’s not really an area that most shops rustproof well other than undercoating the wheel well as they’d have to drill holes to squirt undercoating in. He also said that because the inside of that panel has NVH foam, the foam basically holds any moisture in place in there once it gets in there. I tried wiping some dirt off the inside of the fender with a rag last night and feeling around after I got home...I have that waxy undercoating stuff that hardens, so I was feeling bumps, but I don’t know if that’s the feeling of rust bubbles coming through on the back or just some of the undercoating. The bubbles are on the usual wheel well spot right where where the inner panel of the fender well meets the outer panel of the body, so nobody can really get inside them unless I/they drilled a hole from in behind the taillight or something and then sprayed some into the panel with that wand thing they use...not sure if that is normal practice or not...? I guess my usual undercoating place doesn’t do it though...
Found this pic of a similar Accent to my car that shows the inner panels with the interior trim off, I can’t see why they couldn’t poke a hole behind a taillight and spray some of it down into the seams above the wheel-wells?
A grease trick the body guy told me to do was to slath
er the rust bubbles in a grease (I used white lithium grease as I have some at home) for the time being until I can get it repaired later this year when conditions are more favorable. MM54 and I both agree that probably doesn’t make a lot of sense if the bubbles are telling us it’s rusting from moisture getting in behind, but hey, guess I can try it.
I know my car is getting older (2009) and has 152,000kms on it now, but this is the first bit of real rust it’s gotten....sucks that it’ll cost this much to repair it, but I’ll save up and try and get it sorted when it’s warmer and drier later this year. Mechanically it’s got loads of life still left in it and the rest of the body is in great shape (as far as I know). If I can keep undercoating it yearly as I do and the rest stays OK, hopefully I can get a while out of it yet. The body guy said to do the grease trick, but I agree with you....I can’t see it doing much if the moisture is coming from behind. But...he suggested it, so no harm in trying I guess! :)
Blargh...rust sucks, especially when you don’t have a lot of money and you like your car a lot, even when it’s a cheap Korean ecobox...
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...or at least 3 small rust bubbles worth of car cancer...152,000kms in salty Nova Scotian winter roads will tend to do that. Noticed them on the rear-right wheel arch this afternoon. This is the first body rust I’ve had. It’s a very small amount (my ugly fingertip for scale), so hopefully it won’t cost a ludicrous amount to fix:
Pardon all the salt on my car in the shots - I do get it undercoated every year, but I probably don’t wash it in the winter as often as I should. I’m hoping there’s nothing really nasty lurking back there and that it’s a simple grind back and repaint job. I can’t feel anything when I run my fingers on the lip inside the well, so I don’t think it’s bad. Getting it sorted now means I can nip it in the bud before it spreads! Hopefully I can get it looked at on Monday and get an appointment for next week.
MM54
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 22:20 |
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Do you have access to the other side of that metal? There’s a pretty good chance those are coming from the back of the panel.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/25/2019 at 22:30 |
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I can reach my fingers underneath and I don’t feel anything untoward back there
other than road grime, but that makes it hard to tell...
CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 22:30 |
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Noooooooooo
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
01/25/2019 at 22:37 |
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That’s what I thought when I saw it this afternoon....I
religiously undercoat it every year and try to wash it every so often in the winter, though admittedly not as often as I guess I should! We’ll see come Monday...
dogisbadob
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 22:39 |
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How old is the car? What year? Did you have it since new?
DipodomysDeserti
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 22:48 |
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Sand it, spray some phosphoric acid on it, then touch up the paint. Shouldn’t cost more than $20.
pip bip - choose Corrour
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 22:59 |
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time for a new car then
;)
someassemblyrequired
> pip bip - choose Corrour
01/25/2019 at 23:10 |
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Ha there take the length of the corrosion warranty, add one day, and then the car goes from no rust to
full of holes.
wafflesnfalafel
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/25/2019 at 23:35 |
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poop...
Tapas
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/26/2019 at 00:41 |
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:(
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> wafflesnfalafel
01/26/2019 at 05:55 |
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Yup...
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> DipodomysDeserti
01/26/2019 at 05:56 |
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Yeah, I’m going to get it sorted...just hoping there isn’t more going on back there behind the paint than I can see from the rust bubbles...
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> someassemblyrequired
01/26/2019 at 05:57 |
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lol, well, it’s been out of any sort of warranty for like 3 years, so it’s doing OK really!
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> pip bip - choose Corrour
01/26/2019 at 05:58 |
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I hope not! I COULD afford one if I had to, but I don’t really want to as I am saving up for a house...plus I like my little basic, reliable and honest Accent! :)
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/26/2019 at 06:23 |
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don’t worry, i’m only shit stirring
:)
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> pip bip - choose Corrour
01/26/2019 at 07:08 |
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Oh, I know, just make sure you’re stirring it in the opposite direction to here as you’re in Oz, in accordance to the whole toilets flush the other way thing
:P
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MM54
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/26/2019 at 07:38 |
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That ares will have multiple layers of metal (at minimum an inner and outer skin) which join at the edge of the opening; I find it hard to believe the back of the outside metal is accessible from the inside of the fenderwell, though I’ve not done bodywork on hyundais so maybe they are weird.
When stripping it down you’ll be able to tell quick enough if it’s from the back, since removing the rust will yield a small
hole. If this is the case, that section needs to be removed out to clean metal, then patched.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/26/2019 at 08:40 |
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Ah, that makes sense. That worries me though and makes me think maybe it’s worse than I thought...I hope not! The underside is really solid (the mechanic that last worked on
it complimented it on
that considering our climate, it’s age and kms). I
carefully looked it over after I discovered those the other day and don’t see any more ru
st spots or bubbles
anywhere else on the body work.
I’m hoping to get to the body shop I use
tomorrow afternoon on my way home from work to
book an appointment and
get a quote. Hopefully it won’t be too costly... Any idea what I
might be looking at to have it repaired cost-w
ise?
shop-teacher
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/26/2019 at 09:34 |
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Grrrrr ... Stupid rust!
My truck's rockers are getting worse every day.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> shop-teacher
01/27/2019 at 06:47 |
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This is the first sign of rust anywhere on the body other than some light surface rust on the und
erside of the rockers I had painted last year! That was VERY light rust, but I had it done anyway just in case! These are the first bubbles I’ve seen... :(
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shop-teacher
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/27/2019 at 08:30 |
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Sorry man. I know the feels :(
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> shop-teacher
01/27/2019 at 09:17 |
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Will get it looked at tomorrow and hopefully it’s not too badly rusted and I can get it fixed for a not-astronomical amount of money :P
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shop-teacher
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/27/2019 at 09:27 |
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Good luck!
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MM54
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/27/2019 at 15:02 |
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I’m not sure what you’d pay a shop to do it, it won’t be cheap though, especially if a section needs cut out, replaced, prepped, and painted.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/27/2019 at 17:49 |
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We’ll find out tomorrow I guess!
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/28/2019 at 21:26 |
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So, I went to the shop I usually use....they essentially told me it would make more sense to wait until spring as there is a lot of moisture in the air this time of year. I said, ‘wouldn’t it get a lot worse in several months?’ to which they said to help keep it at bay, I could get some lithium grease or some other type of grease and smear it over the area the rust bubbles are on (they said nothing about whether I should leave the bubbles or pop them or scrape them off or what).
Does that sound like it would help prevent it from getting worse until they suggest I get the work done in the spring / summer...? I mean, I’ve got several months more of salty roads before winter is over....
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MM54
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/28/2019 at 22:04 |
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If the bubbles are from pinholes in the paint letting moisture through and rusting the steel, sure that would help, but if the rust is coming through from the back greasing the paint won’t help you much, you’d have to get to the back of the panel and treat it. Can’t hurt to try.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/29/2019 at 06:52 |
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That’s what I was wondering....would scraping the bubbles off and then trying to keep them coated with grease of some sort until then help any more than just putting grease right on them
?
The bubbles are on the usual wheel well spot right where where the inner panel of the fender well meets the outer panel of the body, so I can’t really get inside them unless I drilled a hole or something. The body place said if it’s rusting the way it is, the best thing to do is get it cut out and a new clean piece of metal welded back in for $500-700 (bodywork costs a lot here, at least where I am in Canada it does...). The guy at the shop described it as moisture getting in between the two panels and it’s not really an area you can rustproof because the inside of that panel has NVH foam that basically holds any moisture in place in there once it gets in there...I tried wiping some dirt off the inside of the fender with a rag last night and feeling around...I have that waxy undercoating stuff that hardens, so I was feeling bumps, but I don’t know if that’s the feeling of rust bubbles coming through on the back or just some of the undercoating.
I know my car is getting older (2009) and has 152,000kms on it now, but this is the first bit of real rust it’s gotten....sucks that it’ll cost this much to repair it, but I’ll save up and try and get it sorted when it’s warmer and drier later this year. Mechanically it’s got loads of life still left in it and the rest of the body is in great shape (as far as I know).
If I can keep undercoating it yearly as I do
and the rest stays OK, hopefully I can get a
while out of it yet. The body guy said to do the grease trick, but I agree with you....I can’t see it doing much if the moisture is coming from behind. But...he suggested it, so no harm in trying I guess! :)
PartyPooper2012
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 07:14 |
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Get the welder out. Time to do some sheet metal work
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> PartyPooper2012
01/29/2019 at 07:15 |
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Do
n’t have the skills / the tools, so that’s the job the body shop told me they’ll do later in the year when the weather is more favorable...
Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 07:23 |
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Honestly $500-700 is a damn good price to have rust repaired like that. Around here they’ll easily charge you $1500 for that.
jimz
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 08:26 |
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well, if it’s any consolation at least it took 10 years for it to start. My dad’s ‘73 Cougar had a bunch of holes in the rear quarters, trunk floor, and wheelhouses by 1977.
steel was junk back then, and the cars that were made of it were too.
Fyoeu
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 08:42 |
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Just out of curiosity, do you pay every single time you get your car under coated? Or is it a one time fee and then you just come back every year?
BJ
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 08:51 |
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If you’re eventually planning on replacing the panel, why not make the current one last as long as possible? Just do a local grind and repaint (even if it doesn’t colour match perfectly) and you’ll at least slow down the rust. It’ll also allow you to check if it’s forming on the outer surface, or if it really is coming through from behind due to accumulated moisture.
Save your roubles for when the rust gets really bad, or for when you find more rust elsewhere.
If you want to sell the car soon, then maybe you can spend the money, if you think you’ll get a worthwhile % back in the sale price.
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someassemblyrequired
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 09:28 |
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Used cars are frikkin’ steals in NS, I’d probably just put the $700 towards a replacement. Here’s a 2016, 36K under ten grand:
https://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/hyundai/accent/dartmouth/nova scotia/5_42513902_20150813141013738/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=pl&urp=8&urm=8&pc=B3A 1G4&sprx=100
Or a 2015, manual, down your way,
asking $6500:
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> jimz
01/29/2019 at 10:16 |
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I know, they do tend to last quite long nowadays, so I can’t complain! I bought my 2002 Subaru used in 2008 (it had 111,000kms compared to the 54,000kms my Accent had when I first bought both) and had to sell it from rusting out by 2013...only got 5 years out of that one, so a bit of rust 6 years in this April for the Accent is a damn sight better!
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Fyoeu
01/29/2019 at 10:17 |
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The place I usually go is a pay yearly thing...around $140 each time I think, if memory serves?
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> BJ
01/29/2019 at 10:21 |
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I am going to get them to replace it in the spring/summer when they suggested they should do the
work. I don’t have the tools to do a grind and re-paint unless I just went with sandpaper. It’d be the first time I’d done it though, so I would be worried about somehow making it worse....plus, if it’s as they say and the rust is coming through from the back panel where the welds meet, grinding it down and repain
ting it would just mean it would bubble back through....and if I am getting the area cut out and patched back in with clean steel in the spring or summer, even if it gets somewhat worse, it’ll all be cut back out again, right?
I guess the way I look at it, bubbles wouldn’t be forming UNLESS it was coming through from behind right? So I am pretty much certain it has to be coming from behind, wouldn’t it?
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> someassemblyrequired
01/29/2019 at 10:30 |
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I’ve thought about it....my issue is I can’t really afford several thousand at the moment, though I can afford several hundred (not that I want to)...trying to save up for a house is expensive :/
Plus, on the irrational / emotional
side of things, I like my little car. :)
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
01/29/2019 at 11:11 |
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I had to get worse but similar repairs done to my Subaru when I had it (though
the shop that did the work did a shit job then
, which is another story)...it was about $660 I think.
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Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 11:54 |
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I wish I could get rust repair like that done for under $1k. Just fixing the small hole in my van’s rocker was quoted at $1800 per side!
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someassemblyrequired
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 11:57 |
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I wouldn’t panic too much, I’d wait a few years to fix it
and keep the $700 for the house. It’s all about rust management once a car gets near 10 years old in NS
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BJ
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 12:50 |
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I am not an expert, but a very minor defect or da mage to the paint could allow moisture in from the front side, I suppose.
If you want to have the pane l replaced, you lose nothing by sanding or grinding it down first just to see... but if you’re not equipped , then I understand your hesitation.
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MM54
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 18:17 |
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Can’t hurt to try and wax/grease it but I doubt it’ll do much; I wouldn’t pop/scrape the bubbles since that gives it a lot more leeway to get moisture where it oughtn’t be. $5-700 sounds like a good
price to have that fixed, I wouldn’t be surprised if that doesn’t include paint though.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
01/29/2019 at 20:29 |
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Ouch! Might look into a better rust protection too...I think the place I go now only does an undercoating, really....no spraying into panels.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> someassemblyrequired
01/29/2019 at 20:30 |
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Part of it, I think, is that the rust protection service I use right now is more of an undercoating. I get it done every year, but there is no spraying inside panels that I know of...which would’ve helped in this case.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/29/2019 at 20:31 |
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Supposedly does include paint as far as I know. I’ve got another quote to come in as I popped in to one other local body shop on my way home today for the hell of it.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> MM54
01/29/2019 at 20:31 |
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Supposedly does include paint as far as I know. I’ve got another quote to come in as I popped in to one other local body shop on my way home today for the hell of it.
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someassemblyrequired
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/29/2019 at 22:18 |
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It’s likely more an issue with the accident damage you mentioned - that always somewhat compromises
the rust protection. But yeah the full Ziebart/Waxoyl
treatment probably would have avoided the problem, especially if you get it treated yearly. But that’s $$$$ and really can only be justified on a brand new car.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> someassemblyrequired
01/30/2019 at 15:07 |
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I was thinking once I get this fixed I might give Krown a go as I know they spray into panels and friends of mine use it...? Heard anything for or against?
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someassemblyrequired
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
01/30/2019 at 15:11 |
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Well all my intel is like 20 years old at this point, but Krown and Rust Check were ok if you kept up with them back in the day.
Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/02/2019 at 20:20 |
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the wreckers out here are just littered with Nova Scotian Uplanders, M ontana vans Dodge caravans etc. Anything from “The East” is basically unable to pass a safety if it’s more than a few years old. A family’s primary car will be looked the other way on, but any other cars are doomed, or must pass a safety. Quebec cars go straight to the crusher, Ontario not far behind.
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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/02/2019 at 20:22 |
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Is that the Quebec-style “waxoyl”
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
02/02/2019 at 21:56 |
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?
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
02/02/2019 at 21:57 |
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Uplanders and Montanas would mostly be because, in my experience, they were absolute crap to begin with....friend of the family had a Venture and then an Uplander and both gave them nothing but constant trouble...let alone the rust!
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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/02/2019 at 23:46 |
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it’s like black vaseline. I’ ve seen it advertised in old B ritish car mags , as “waxoyl” and seen it on some Quebec-tastic tercels. I think it’s the same product. Different than the bee’s wax rustproofing I never use.
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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/02/2019 at 23:49 |
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Dissolving rockers. Still some Nova Scotians making their way out west and stopping here but nothing like 10 years ago. We just got up to a solid million people with help of our Eastern cousins with charming accents. (pun)
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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/02/2019 at 23:51 |
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I don’t know how effective it is, but it’s greasy as hell. aerosol black vaseline
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
02/03/2019 at 07:13 |
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Yup, and electrical problems! Almost every Uplander or Venture or Montana, etc (and even more recent Orlandos) have some form of glitch with the rear reverse lights / hazards / turn signals / brake lights coming on improperly. I was at a stop light awhile back and saw an Orlando that had the rear hazards come on solid with the brake lights every time they stopped....and an older Venture where the reverse lights came on with the parking lights...
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
02/03/2019 at 07:14 |
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Ah yes, I knew what Waxoyl was, just didn’t know what you meant by Quebec-style :P
I could grab some of that stuff....the white lithium grease I am slathering on there seems to be doing OK. I toss a bit more on it every time it rains.
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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
02/03/2019 at 09:19 |
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Its the one time where Dodge is the answer. Grand Caravan aint perfect but it’s never been beat.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
02/03/2019 at 10:23 |
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Agreed! We had a ‘93 Caravan for years and I sorely miss it even though we got rid of it way back in like 2001. It was still working when we sold it with a lot of kms (rust was killing the rockers in places though, but still repairable). The only reason we sold it is we couldn’t get it up our 80m long hill of a driveway in the winter as it was too heavy. :(